tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post3046154944986075415..comments2023-06-15T06:23:17.974-04:00Comments on OneMan-OneWoman.org: Update from the road: IowaLouis J. Marinellihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15308380959526067415noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-38465668578608382552010-08-05T10:12:20.877-04:002010-08-05T10:12:20.877-04:00I will proudly state my name is Kate Spindler from...I will proudly state my name is Kate Spindler from Minneapolis, MN. <br /><br />Louis, as a member of the clergy of the United Methodist Church, I pray for you and hope you find joy in your life. It seems important to you to (attempt) to rob other people of theirs. <br /><br />May the peace of Christ be with you always, and may there be marriage where there is true love! <br /><br />Mrs. Kate SpindlerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02856414446962989539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-35399177012543843022010-08-04T14:42:41.004-04:002010-08-04T14:42:41.004-04:00Thanks for the answer Louis, although I have a har...Thanks for the answer Louis, although I have a hard time buying it. You've spent a lot of time focusing on the supposed negative behavior of equality supporters. I'm surprised that you suddenly want to shield your readers from that behavior when it's in the form of comments on your posts.Steve Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-16776034309908755412010-08-04T14:29:16.173-04:002010-08-04T14:29:16.173-04:00Those two ladies are a lovely couple. Congratulati...Those two ladies are a lovely couple. Congratulations on your marriage! I recognize it as valid just as the State of Iowa does!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-74683909188535060882010-08-03T17:11:37.101-04:002010-08-03T17:11:37.101-04:00Steve,
Comments to this website are moderated an...Steve, <br /><br />Comments to this website are moderated and those type of comments are rejected from being published. There's your answer.Louis J. Marinellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15308380959526067415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-4569674649366429592010-08-03T15:10:53.343-04:002010-08-03T15:10:53.343-04:00I'd love to come to one of your wild parties. ...I'd love to come to one of your wild parties. Mind you, looking at the photos I think I'd probably go home well before the orgy started.Rogue_Leadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-76421533582957566512010-08-03T11:39:34.676-04:002010-08-03T11:39:34.676-04:00I'm wondering where all the threatening commen...I'm wondering where all the threatening comments from violent homofacists are. According to Louis and NOM they dominate the marriage equality movement. But you wouldnt know it from reading these comments. Don't homofacists have internet access? Louis, do you have an explanation?Steve Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-27027095223868706442010-08-03T00:36:11.582-04:002010-08-03T00:36:11.582-04:00Marlene, my guess is that we are the only ones rea...Marlene, my guess is that we are the only ones reading this blog. Louis has failed utterly to attract any of the audience he is aiming at, and basically we are just reading him for the giggles at this point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-74487895334200063632010-08-03T00:03:52.761-04:002010-08-03T00:03:52.761-04:00You say that couple are not married, even though t...You say that couple are not married, even though the government says they are married, even though they are committed to each other, even though they love each other, even though they are committed to each other, even though they may be lovely people personally.<br /><br />So what precisely is "marriage," and what is your justification? It seems to be requiring one man and one woman, but what do you base that on besides your own opinion and preference? I suppose "well, that's how it's always been done." Well, with that mentality, we'd still be in caves.<br /><br />Please explain why your seal of approval is needed to make something a valid marriage.Cassie Beyerhttp://altreligion.about.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-91861357708679045362010-08-02T20:27:38.172-04:002010-08-02T20:27:38.172-04:00Marlene, I can answer that. Louis' victimhood ...Marlene, I can answer that. Louis' victimhood would be endangered if he didn't a bunch of heartless, heathen, gay and lesbian folk around to hurt his feelings.SF Bayhttp://www.paragmaticliberal.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-15805954491943842712010-08-02T20:24:51.402-04:002010-08-02T20:24:51.402-04:00K, checked out the photo. I count 84 for sure and ...K, checked out the photo. I count 84 for sure and maybe 2 more, so 86 seems correct. Now that was not so hard was it?<br /><br />I'm new here, but I concur...Louis you really need to become a fact based life form.SF BAyhttp://www.pragmaticliberal.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-83852425609307941752010-08-02T19:57:22.973-04:002010-08-02T19:57:22.973-04:00Once again Louis, you're lying through your te...Once again Louis, you're lying through your teeth. No Louis the majority of my comments do NOT contain offensive or abusive language, they contain only brutal honest truth. In fact I've even gone out of my way not to swear or cuss since you re-instated the old comments despite how infuriating your blatant lies get. No Louis, there are not imaginary conspiracies in my mind, YOU have simply (for the umpteenth time) been caught lying like a rug. If you fail to post any of my comments it is only because of your personal bias against me. I'd bet good money you opnly let today's comments through so you could make it appear as if you aren't singling me out specifically. "Look everyone! See? I posted her comments today! I CAN'T POSSIBLY be trying to censor her!". Except YOU IN YOUR OWN WORDS have admitted, not only today to doing so, but on your brief fling with Disqus comments, to how much you were foiaming at the mouth to do so. And I have a screenshot to prove it Louis.<br /><br />No Louis, NO ONE except your most fervent hatemonger followers are going to believe your excuse for censoring me. If you want any shred of your already non-existant credibility to be salvaged, let through EVERY comment posted by EVERYONE. If you censor so much as ONE comment, you are dishonest, and the debate is influenced unfairly by your doing so.<br /><br />Man up Louis. This is pathetic reaching to justify crap even for you.Penny Marie Sautereauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954378927871092503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-46950133203826084512010-08-02T19:03:46.265-04:002010-08-02T19:03:46.265-04:00Excuse me, I'm new here. And I was just wonder...Excuse me, I'm new here. And I was just wondering why there haven't been any pro-NOM comments posted?Marlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-7560786613291234482010-08-02T18:55:02.563-04:002010-08-02T18:55:02.563-04:00Two women who love each other, who care for each o...Two women who love each other, who care for each other, who want to be each other's spouse and the reaction is, "they are not married." One day, even the most religious among us will look back at the oppositon to same sex marriage and shake their heads that ever was a group so denied basic rights. Let us not forget, those who opposed the right of women to vote were the religiously devout. Those who opposed interracial marriage, talked about their belief in god. Well, no good and just deity wants people to be 2nd class citizens in their own nation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507249256864039274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-70082069974792008192010-08-02T17:57:07.425-04:002010-08-02T17:57:07.425-04:00Louis wrote: "I am attacking the misunderstan...Louis wrote: "I am attacking the misunderstanding these women share about marriage. And that misunderstanding, that fallacy, is that marriage is only about love and commitment."<br /><br />Louis, I must say that my wife and I have no interest in having children. Based on your post, you are basically saying that my marriage is also invalid, as the true purpose of marriage is for reproduction, not love and commitment. <br /><br />"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."<br /><br />As you well know, the pen is mightier than the sword. I wish you could see the effect your words have on so many people. <br /><br />Your logic is at best, flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-16507584789621546312010-08-02T17:55:46.734-04:002010-08-02T17:55:46.734-04:00You know that being "for" same-sex marri...You know that being "for" same-sex marriage doesn't mean you're "against" opposite-sex marriage, right?<br /><br />I am a woman. I'm (very happily) married to a man. I am 100% in favor of marriage equality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-83913915807647342482010-08-02T17:49:05.817-04:002010-08-02T17:49:05.817-04:00One man and one woman, very drunk, can go to the E...One man and one woman, very drunk, can go to the Elvis chapel and get married in Vegas. I'm assuming you will use your blog to forcefully condemn this practice, Louis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-23103938254424438112010-08-02T17:44:06.050-04:002010-08-02T17:44:06.050-04:00Out of curiosity, what documentation do you believ...Out of curiosity, what documentation do you believe proves that a marriage is real?Shaydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164702507150423345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-67204389900713190312010-08-02T17:31:12.249-04:002010-08-02T17:31:12.249-04:00Do you believe that a marriage has to have a relig...Do you believe that a marriage has to have a religious component in order to be considered a true "marriage?"<br /><br />If so, which religious institutions' ceremonies do you think should "count?" Are couples (gay or straight) married in a Reform Synagogue by a Rabbi actually "married?" Are couples (gay or straight) married in an Episcopalian Church actually "married?" How about couples (gay or straight) married via a Wiccan ceremony? <br /><br />Do you recognize couples (gay or straight) married in secular ceremonies as "married?"<br /><br />If your church doesn't recognize same-sex partnerships as valid and doesn't choose to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies, that's an excellent reason for people who attend your church to not enter into same-sex partnership. Freedom of Religion -- got it.<br /><br />How, though, does the religious freedom you so clearly value benefit churches whose clergy/members want to bless same-sex unions? Isn't telling them they're not allowed to marry same-sex partners a violation of THEIR religious freedom?<br /><br />I understand this relatively new-fangled idea of marriage being all about procreating and raising children. I want to know, though, how it applies to couples who can not procreate (either because of medical reasons such as a woman having undergone a hysterectomy or tubal ligation, or a man having had a vasectomy or testicular cancer, or a woman being post-menopausal, or being a same-sex partnership), or who do not wish to procreate? I have a number of straight married friends (and one straight couple who will be married this coming January) who want absolutely NO part of having or raising children. Unless I'm mistaken, they're just as married as my husband and I are even though we've chosen to reproduce and they haven't.<br /><br />You are certainly free to believe that marriage was created by a higher power. Since I don't believe in a higher power and am very comfortable with the notion that man created marriage (just as man created religion), I'm perfectly comfortable with the idea that the only valid reason for marrying someone is that you care for that person very deeply and can't imagine spending the rest of your life without that person. A significant part of being married is in how you view your partner -- you want to love, honor, and cherish someone you love -- and you want to take care of each other as long as you are both able to do so. In my mind, there's no actual relevance to the type of reproductive organs that either person possesses.<br /><br />Why should your definition of marriage trump someone else's? When marriage equality is achieved throughout the country (as it has been in a handful of states and in a number of countries), you will still be free to consider legally-married people as not "really" married -- but those people will have the rights and benefits accorded to married people by the government. You won't be harmed by the fact that there are "not really married" married people all over the place, but the people who CAN have their relationships and their families legally recognized will certainly benefit.<br /><br />I don't know for certain yet whether my little girl was born straight, lesbian, or somewhere in-between. Statistically speaking, she's more likely to grow up and fall in love with a man rather than a woman -- but I'll be happy if she finds her soul-mate & lives her life with someone who always treats her with dignity, kindness, respect, and yes - love. That's the kind of relationship I have with her father. No matter what, though, she will grow up knowing that her parents really do love her and support her -- and that we will fight for her rights if we need to fight for them. She'll also know that if she's straight, we'll be fighting for the rights of her friends no matter what their sexual orientation happens to be.Shaynanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-24595189100766967162010-08-02T17:29:54.592-04:002010-08-02T17:29:54.592-04:00Siglind,
You are missing the most important aspec...Siglind,<br /><br />You are missing the most important aspect of marriage.<br /><br />Louis will recognize my marriage if I:<br /><br />marry someone 20 years older<br />marry someone 20 years younger <br />marry someone on death row<br />marry someone I've never met<br />marry someone of a different race<br />marry someone of a different faith<br />marry someone who clearly loves my things more than me<br />marry someone who has been divorced 8 times<br />marry someone who wants children<br />marry someone who doesn't want children<br />marry someone who doesn't much like sex<br />marry someone who can't have sex<br />marry someone for companionship<br />marry someone for their connections<br />marry someone for their wealth<br />marry someone because my family wants me to<br />marry someone in a arranged marriage<br />marry someone with an Elvis impersonator presiding<br />marry someone for eternity in the Mormon temple<br />marry someone only until death do us part<br />marry absolutely anyone in absolutely any way with absolutely any purpose and absolutely any agenda<br /><br />EXCEPT that they can't have a penis. Because that's what REALLY matters in marriage: who has a penis.Timothy Kincaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048901225881120312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-28515201556066841732010-08-02T16:57:19.477-04:002010-08-02T16:57:19.477-04:00Louis, I am sorry that you think they are not marr...Louis, I am sorry that you think they are not married. The only way I can reconcile their government issued marriage license and recognized civil marriage with your claim is that for you, only a heterosexual religious marriage is valid. If so, why don't you propose that the government goes out of marriage all together? That would also solve the violations between church and state you are proposing!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04959216785466206447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-2724852196448164462010-08-02T16:52:42.633-04:002010-08-02T16:52:42.633-04:00Louis,
At this point I'll just assume that y...Louis, <br /><br />At this point I'll just assume that you counted the heads in the picture and realized that my count is accurate and yours is doubled. And I guess you are either too embarrassed to admit that you were wrong or are too worried about spin.<br /><br />I invite everyone else here to take 15 seconds and count the total attendees at NOM's Des Moines rally.<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/50933783@N07/4850827706/sizes/o/<br /><br />But the offer is still open, Louis. Prove me wrong.<br /><br />BTW, I saw the KCCI article: "The National Organization for Marriage brought its controversial summer tour to Des Moines on Sunday, drawing more than 100 people to the Iowa State Capitol to voice support for traditional marriage."<br /><br />I also saw the Des Moines Register: "Carroll made his comments to a crowd of about 50 at a rally on the steps of the Iowa Capitol sponsored by the National Organization for Marriage, a national same-sex marriage protest group."<br /><br />I'm still counting a number between the two news reports.Timothy Kincaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048901225881120312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-86428963747011803012010-08-02T16:00:00.314-04:002010-08-02T16:00:00.314-04:00Ummm, Louis? I asked you two questions and you ne...Ummm, Louis? I asked you two questions and you never responded. Perhaps you'll respond now?JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00057132276008655913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-52610622264543312922010-08-02T15:33:18.106-04:002010-08-02T15:33:18.106-04:00Louis wrote (8/1 11:40pm): "Marriage is somet...Louis wrote (8/1 11:40pm): "Marriage is something higher than the word of men."<br /><br />Well there it is in black and white folks: proof that NOM and their supporters are unable, unwilling, or both, to separate civil marriage from religious ceremony. Louis, marriage may be something higher than the word of men within the context of your religion and we can all respect that. But your religion is not what's at issue. This is about civil law which is, unquestionably, the word of men. NOM has tried really hard to present secular based arguments for their mission. They've rejected suggestions that they are motivated by religious doctrine because they outwardly acknowledge that we do not live in a theocracy. But with your "higher than the word of men" comment Louis, you have just proven that the weak secular arguments NOM puts forth are nothing but a thin veil. As we've known all along, NOM's goal is to enshrine its religious views into our SHARED laws and force their beliefs on everyone else. Thanks being big enough to admit it.Steve Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-3618986148940060852010-08-02T14:10:30.473-04:002010-08-02T14:10:30.473-04:00Louis,
I'm not here to change your mind about...Louis,<br /><br />I'm not here to change your mind about marriage. I'm here to get you to simply report facts truthfully. Not "oh someone else said it too" but the genuine honest truth based on objective facts.<br /><br />A number is a factual thing. It isn't subject to opinion, interpretation, or religious perspective. I say there were 86 people in a photograph, you insist that there were over 150 attendees at the rally.<br /><br />My challenge still stands: count the people. Here is the link to NOM's photograph with Brian speaking so you know it's not taken before the event or doctored in some way by equality supporters.<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/50933783@N07/4850827706/sizes/o/<br /><br />And, Louis, you are mistaken when you said, "Even the NOMTourTracker people from CA counted more than that."<br /><br />Their site said, "86 NOM supporters are scattered under various shade trees..." so we actually got the same count.<br /><br />So PLEASE Louis, go prove me wrong. Take 15 seconds and count the number of people listening to the speaker at the rally. They are all clearly distinguishable in the picture. Tell us all how many you count.Timothy Kincaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048901225881120312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810329673334849395.post-71394830940290554582010-08-02T14:03:26.256-04:002010-08-02T14:03:26.256-04:00Now this couple may very well be wonderful people....<i>Now this couple may very well be wonderful people. They may be great people individually and according to some, they may even make a cute couple.</i><br /><br />Why can't you just talk to them and find out for yourself? They're smiling and posing...no frightening dog in the way. Hardly a threat to you. Go for it.<br /><br />It might get in the way of you passing judgment over them, but it might also just resolve your issues.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370631180040911380noreply@blogger.com